In this “Walk and Talk with Katina,” I explain that the first step to change is knowing yourself and knowing God. Though the answer seems simple, knowing yourself and knowing God is not easy. The definition of “knowing” is not simply a head knowledge that you can study from a book , it is a deep experiential knowing that involves mind, body, and spirit. It is relational. It takes much grace and help from God, as well as your own practice and efforts in cultivating this through the complexities of life. There is both a dependence on God’s finished work in us, as well as our own efforts that include spiritual disciplines, mindfulness, and different skills.